Need help on LFRR FIR creation

Athos

Hi,

I would to know if a sector creator would be able to co create LFRR (Brest FIR).
I have nealy all the data (Navdata/LoA/XFL/Sector Data) and made a few tools to easily convert eAIP to the LC format, but I'm strugling with the sector creation (especially visual recreation of each sector)

I would be really happy if someone who have experience with this would accept to work with me on this sector.

Regards

Harlequin

Hello Athos,

If you'd like some advice on creating your Brest FIR, then I'll be happy to help. I've done quite a bit of development for London Control over the years, so I'm aware of the all the traps that are easy to fall into when trying to create new content for LC. 🙂

As far as visual re-creation of the Brest airspace is concerned, the only thing I've been able to find on Google is this picture of the Bordeaux upper airspace which I assume would be similiar to Brest:

Bordeaux Upper Airspace

The amount of elaborate detail provided in the aircraft label is far beyond what is capable in LC, and you would have to compromise on that.

If you have any questions, please post them here and I'll do my best to be of assistance.

Bon Chance!

Athos

Hi, as of today LFBB (Bordeaux) and LFRR (Brest) are on the same system called ERATO, but this will change soon as they're starting the transition toward a sytem called 4Flight, used in LFFF (Paris), LFMM (Marseille), LFEE (Reims). I know such details on the label is impossible but this is not what I'm looking for. I'm looking to get the controlled sector background darken than the background color (like LACC have for controlled corridors). But I'm not managing to make the Map File work.
Each sector define in Sectors.ini, have a MAP_x.ini file with a filling for the associated AoR.

But when I launch the game they don't appear neither on the screen or the map window.

Harlequin

Hi, again.

First of all, forgive me if I maybe mis-interpreting what you're saying.

So ...

1/ You are not using a "Filled CAS" to provide the darker fill; you are using the sector maps to provide that?

2/ Your sector map detail does not display on the screen after you have selected a particular sector to control?

3/ Other sector boundarys don't show on the Maps mini-menu?

Dealing with "1/" first. In LC it's normally the case that "Filled CAS" is specified in the map named after it. Unfortunately, that is universal regardless of which sector you're working; so the granularity of only filling the working sector isn't available via that particular map.

LC, as you have probably discovered, is very syntax intensive. Even a tiny error can render the whole simulation to CTD. The 'Routes.ini" is particularly bad in that respect. I did some experimentation using the London FIR, and it is indeed possible to have the Sector map display with "FILL" instead of "SOLID". So I'm wondering if there may be a syntax error somewhere, either in the Map_???.ini or your Sectors.ini.

Do the sectors not show up when you select the Brest FIR when starting the game? IF that is the case then the problem would be the Sectors.ini file. You say that the sector map selections don't show up in the Maps mini-menu? That would certainly be caused by not having an "adjacent' parameter for the particular sector.

Finally, be careful when adding comments in the Sectors.ini; If you go beyond the 40 character limit, then the comments will word-wrap on to another line that won't have a ";" prefix. The program will try to read the line - and break.

Those are my thoughts. I hope they might help. Let me know.

Cheers!

Athos

Hi,
The display in France have not the same philosophy, we display all sectors boundary in dashed lines, and only sector you actually control have a darker filling.

Would you have any advice on how to do that ?

The sectors show up in the game menu, but not in the map selection window

Harlequin

OK,

The software will draw the boundary of the sector depending on whether you have either "DASHED" or "FILL". Unfortunately the software can't simultaneously provide both options - it's either one or the other.

A workround would be to edit the sector's map file prior to launching the program and editing the "DASHED" linestyle to show "FILL" for the sector you plan to work. That's not exactly efficient, but it would have the sector you're working as filled while all the other sectors would have a "DASHED" boundary. Afterwards you would have to re-edit the sector you worked back to having a "DASHED" boundary. A tedious chore, but it would create the look you're looking for.

As far as the map selection window is concerned, could you copy and paste one of the sector entries from the Sectors.ini here on the thread? I think the issue is in that file somewhere.

Talk to you soon.

Athos

I've found the issue and now the display appear as intended, I'll continue foward with the work.

I was wondering, is there any tool existing to extract all overflight within a FIR or you're gradually add flight using Flight Radar or others ADS-B trackers ?

Harlequin

is there any tool existing to extract all overflight within a FIR

No, I'm pretty sure there isn't. Personally, I use Flightaware to obtain flight data. I select an airport that's relevant to the airspace, select arrivals or departures and then sort the list by the arriving from/destination to. I then copy and paste it into a spreadsheet, remove duplicates and then re-format it to the LC format.

It''s not a quick job ...

Glad to hear you solved the problem you were having.

Graham

Athos... please email me directly at hq@londoncontrol.com with what your exact requirements are and I will reply. If you could give me what day and time of day you are looking at, it would be helpful. Thanks.